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Wednesday, June 20, 2007

Thanks for calling attention to it

As it prepares to send the Class of 2007 out into the world, Teaneck High School has a wide range of things to be proud of, from team and individual athletic successes to an impressive array of college acceptances. The school's recent ranking among the top five percent of public high schools in the Unites States by Newsweek magazine, however, should not necessarily be a point of pride. While Teaneck Superintendent of Schools John F. Czeterko told the Suburbanite that officials are "very pleased with [their] recognition by Newsweek" and the "validation" it provides, the Newsweek ranking, when placed in context, is actually a manifestation of what many in Teaneck say is wrong with the schools.

A quick glance at the methodology employed by Newsweek demonstrates how this is so. The magazine ranks schools by the total number of Advanced Placement, International Baccalaureate, and Cambridge exams taken by the student body each year and divides that number by the number of graduating seniors. There are, of course, many reasons why such a statistic is not a valid way of drawing conclusions about the quality of a school. In Teaneck High's case, the particular fallacy is that while the total number of exams taken in the school may exceed the number of graduating seniors and therefore place the school in elite company, those tests are being taken by a subset of the population of 11th and 12th graders, many of whom sit for multiple examinations across a number of subjects. More than three quarters of the student body takes no Advanced Placement examinations or AP level courses whatsoever. And with an average SAT score that hovers below the mean for New Jersey and a pass rate on proficiency examinations that lags the state averages as well, it is clear that a large proportion of the student body is not doing anything near college-level work. Given this mixed bag of performance indicators (none of which tells the whole story), school rankings such as these are basically worthless. Worse, in this case, by awarding the school such a high ranking on the basis of its ratio of AP exams to graduating seniors, Newsweek is actually highlighting the extreme disparities in achievement among students at Teaneck High School.


To be sure, if there is going to be a wide achievement gap in the Teaneck, it is certainly better that it arise due of the presence of a cohort of fine students taking challenging courses whose experience stands apart from that of a large portion of the student body. Still, given the emphasis placed on remedying the yawning chasm separating the best from the rest during the most recent Board of Education campaign, one would think this kind of publicity would be somewhat unwelcome- for now. Hopefully, we can look forward to a day when rankings such as these will come alongside better overall performance figures and broader participation in Teaneck High's most advanced academic offerings. That's the kind of "validation" Superintendent Czeterko and company should be seeking.

47 Comments:

At 3:01 AM, Blogger Tom Abbott said...

There are, of course, many reasons why such a statistic is not a valid way of drawing conclusions about the quality of a school.

Applying this only to statistics that might present the school in a favorable light is typical of those who would promote an anti-school agenda. Anyone interested in a real discussion of the school system would provide an analysis of the "pass rate on proficiency examinations," rather than create a false impression by talking about a "lag".

 
At 7:16 AM, Blogger Teaneck Blog said...

I have already noted some of the drawbacks of the other measures in previous postings and have also commented on recent progress in narrowing the achievement gap. As I wrote in that post, I don't view the achievement gap as the major issue facing the district, though it has been promoted as such by others. To see officials crowing about a ranking that underscores the disparities they decry at other times seems a bit ironic to me.

Everybody knows that some of the kids at Teaneck High are getting a stellar education. Everybody also knows that many others are not being well served at all. Having Newsweek recognize the fact that some contrived measure that allows the AP exam participation of THS' top achievers to overshadow the mediocre performance of the majority is a hollow victory at best.

 
At 9:31 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tom:

What part of Teaneck Blog's statement: "And with an average SAT score that hovers below the mean for New Jersey and a pass rate on proficiency examinations that lags the state averages as well, it is clear that a large proportion of the student body is not doing anything near college-level work." is wrong. And rather than reflexively dismiss this as the view of all "who would promooe an anti-school agenda," please provide some hard data to the contrary.

At a certain point in time, Tom, you can't just say "not so" to every posting critical to the Board - you actually have to support your "beliefs" with data. I, for one, welcome the opportunity to be educated by you.

 
At 9:36 AM, Blogger esther said...

And your point is?

Regardless of muddy methodologies, what we can take away from the ranking is that a majority-minority district like Teaneck that serves a very diverse range of students can provide a high quality education to those students so inclined to take advantage of the opportunities. The ranking means that upscale professionals living in Teaneck can be confident that the public schools can provide the quality of education that they seek should they choose to send their kids to public school.

Further good news is that recent test scores reveal that the achievement gap is being narrowed.
You admit that you don't see this as a major issue facing the district and yet you use it as some sort of a cudgel against the school system when it serves your purposes to do so.

The big picture is that the public schools in Teaneck have a tall order in satisfying discriminating and demanding educated professionals as well as providing a high quality education to families whose priorities are elsewhere.

They are succeeding on both counts, despite all the criticisms from people who could give half a crap about public education and would be satisfied to see the district languish in mediocrity as long as it means a lower tax bill.

 
At 12:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

swrugle:

It must be very comforting to be able to dismiss all criticism of the school district as reflecting the viewpoint of "who could give half a crap about public education and would be satisfied to see the district languish in mediocrity as long as it means a lower tax bill."

Actually, some of us care a great deal about public education, with the emphasis on its universal aspect. It is quite clear that the Teaneck school district does not serve all students equally. The majority of this towns minority majority district are not proportionately represented in the programs that Newsweek highlighted. In fact, it seems that a distinctly non-minority majority on the Board was able to tolerate that disparity for quite a while.

Hopefully, ACT is the first major step in addressing this issue. Early test results are the basis for some optimism, but when you look at the year-over-year numbers, they are far from the basis for declaring victory. When the district outperforms state averages as a whole, those who really give a "crap" about public education rather than defending the status quo will have a reason to be supportive.

 
At 1:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The debate about this post highlights what I consider encouraging -- that differing points of view still mean that many people in Teaneck care about quality public education. Each time rankings are published, the criteria are somewhat skewed.

What this ranking does point out is the large number of AP classes THS offers, the opportunities for high level instruction, and some "good news" for once about Teaneck's schools. I do agree, however, with the comments about NEWSWEEK's failure to take actual AP test scores into consideration. However, for those who are critical of how the criteria is representative of just a small number of students, consider that 90% or better of each graduating class goes on to further education. While at least 20% of that number heads to BCC or technical schools, those decisions are made not just on achievement but also financial or family considerations. In fact, the State of NJ encourages attendance of top students at community colleges by offering free tuition through the NJ Stars program, which I think is both admirable and counterproductive to kids who might otherwise choose 4-year options that offer at least some financial assistance.

 
At 1:11 PM, Blogger Teaneck Blog said...

You admit that you don't see this as a major issue facing the district and yet you use it as some sort of a cudgel against the school system when it serves your purposes to do so.

"Cudgel against the school system?" Hardly. My purpose was not to skewer the schools but rather to point out that simultaneously celebrating this ranking while lamenting the achievement gap is to talk out of both sides of one's mouth.

My solution to this dilemma is to dismiss the ranking. As it happens, I am also somewhat dismissive of the achievement gap, though it is clearly a sensitive topic and a major issue in local education politics.

If one chooses, on the other hand, to accept Newsweek's contention that THS is among the best public high schools in the country on the basis of the ranking system, one must certainly believe that the achievement gap is of little consequence. I can't see how one could read this data or prevailing public opinion outside of a select group of "upscale professionals" as proof that the public schools in Teaneck are "succeeding on both counts."

 
At 9:39 PM, Blogger Tom Abbott said...

I am also somewhat dismissive of the achievement gap, ...

I assume you don't mean you believe an achievement gap does not exists. Could you clarify your statement?

 
At 10:10 PM, Blogger Tom Abbott said...

Someone said:
In fact, it seems that a distinctly non-minority majority on the Board was able to tolerate that disparity for quite a while.

It should be noted that the ACT initiative was initiated by the board that this poster is likely referring to. At the time the school board had 8 white members. When Henry Pruitt, a strong supporter of the ACT initiative, joined the board 3 years ago there were still 7 white members. In fact, the majority of school board members remained white until the last election. Fortunately, the school board members past and present have shared a common goal. Providing the best possible education for all the Teaneck students.

A bit off the subject but I will also add that most board members are also mindful of the fact that as state officials, they “have a responsibility to all the children in the state, not only to those in the local district.”

 
At 10:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tom:

How long was the disparity in test scores allowed to exist and widen before the Board finally launched the Act initiative. In fact, a former board member felt no shame in boasting that Teaneck minorities outperform other minorities statewide in the pages of Suburbanite - as if judging minorities on their own scale is acceptable in 21st century America.

BTW, the sound of crickets chirping you hear is the sound of Tom Abbott sharing with us all of the hard data he has to support his criticism of Teaneck Blog @3:01am. I guess that is typical of those who would pomote a pro-Board agenda. Anyone interested in haveing a real discussion of the school system would provide analysis that actually contained facts. Of course, since facts have a well known anti-school bias, I can understand why Tom hesitates posting them.


Anonymous @ 9:31am & 12:30 pm

 
At 10:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think everyone agrees the top 25% of students at THS receives a top-notch education and does the town proud with their academic performance, community involvement, and being overall good human beings.

My concern is this constant focus on the top-25% vs. everyone else. There was a time where I heard about THS being "two schools in one", implying the same ideas here but with a 50/50 ratio. Before then, the ratio of strong performance vs. weak was better than 50/50.

Why is there a declining percentage of the student body performing exceptionally well? What will happen in the future? Will 25% become 20%, then 15%? How can we be so sure 25% will maintain itself moving forward, or perhaps grow to a higher number? I think that is a legitamite question and many people with no animosity to the schools or political agendas ask that question to each other.

There are some legitamite reasons to be deeply concerned about the future of the town's public schools that have nothing to do with any political agenda, hatred for public education, or anything else.

 
At 11:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said.

We have "bright flight" in the public schools, as well as "white flight"...

What happened to Teaneck Schools of yesteryears?

What is the solution to that?

While the criteria of the top ranking is misleading, I think dismissing the Newsweeks's ranking sounds like sour grapes. Its like ppl WANT the public schools to fail.

My kid was in the system this year. I am happier than the my freinds in Ridgewood..

I think it has to do with Teachers. Good teachers, and involved parents are a formula for success...I wish teachers there were a system were teachers were more accountable, and didnt have so much security with being Tenured.(as well as some HORRIBLE HORRIBLE principals). I am not saying I am anti tenure..Just some checks and balances there....Some teachers should seriously just retire after 25 years of service. One teacher I spoke to the other day has been teacing for 40+ years, and says she "doesnt do email"..
That attitude has GOTTA GO in order for anyone to suceed.

Ok..I am going off on a tangent..

 
At 9:37 AM, Blogger esther said...

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At 9:37 AM, Blogger esther said...

The other problem with this whole discussion of the kids that fail to achieve is that nobody wants to confront the 800 pound gorilla here, which is the parents. When kids are largely left to their own devices and their parents are not engaged in their education's, kids will fail to live up to their potential - and there's not much that dedicated educators can do to turn things around.

Why are parents being given a free pass and educators forced to burden a lion's share of the blame!

 
At 11:19 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow. So you think that all those poorly served students just don't care, and have parents who aren't paying attention? That all children are able to access the gifted and talented programs and the AP/Honors classes if they want to?
Have you paid attention at all to the data presented by Dr. Noguera as part of the ACT initiative? He pointed out that while 17.2 percent of white students are in the 4th grade G&T program, only 5.7 percent of black students are. I'll bet the breakdown looks similar at the high school, where parents of color complain often that their children are unable to get into AP and honors classes although they have the same potential as the white students who are being encouraged and supported in these programs.

Dismissing the achievement gap as the work of some mischievous gorilla smacks of racism and is unfair to all of the well-educated, professional black parents in this town who feel that this district does not fairly treat their youngsters.

 
At 12:15 PM, Blogger esther said...

I'll bet the breakdown looks similar at the high school, where parents of color complain often that their children are unable to get into AP and honors classes although they have the same potential as the white students who are being encouraged and supported in these programs.

Are you making the allegation that kids are being turned away from honors classes because of their race? Can you support that with evidence? When I went to THS 30 years ago sme of the top students in my class were African Americans. Nobody was turned away from honors classes then and nobody is being turned away now.

My complaint is that the schools have been forced to bear a disproportionate burden of blame for a screwed up culture that provides perverse incentives to kids by glorifying gangster culture. This is not an indictment of all parents - just the parents who don't take a proactive role in making sure that their kids are rising to challenging opportunities provided in the schools. Without parents in the mix - the schools can't do a lot to help kids in the thrall of gangster culture.

 
At 12:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think each of the folks who have posted comments have their valid points of view, but let's do one thing now -- take Dr. Noguerra and the report off the pedestal. While his group's findings are very much based on data and are certainly being used to contribute to the ACT programs being planned, the interviews done by his group were limited and in some cases, not enough real effort was made to really connect with more groups of students, teachers and parents -- despite complaints from the Board and sub-committees working on their own recommendations. Each year, there are more minority students taking honors classes, and the administration has put stronger support systems in place to give kids the help they need.

 
At 12:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How can you be so sure that students are not being discouraged? I have heard from many parents who complain that students of color are not encouraged and supported in the same way that white students are. This needs to be investigated. District officials should release data showing the breakdowns of AP and honors classes in the high school. Let's see what's really going on before we dismiss all underperforming students as laggards.

 
At 1:30 PM, Blogger esther said...

How can you be so sure that students are not being discouraged? I have heard from many parents who complain that students of color are not encouraged and supported in the same way that white students are.

This is not a racial issue. There are a core of dedicated parents of all races who play an active role in their children's educations. They ask questions, show up at all school functions and advocate on their children's behalf. And the schools are very responsive to the needs of these parents.

 
At 3:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The district constantly releases data on enrollment in THS classes, test performance, etc. throughout the school year. Take a look at the Board Workshop agendas if you don't believe it, and come to workshop meetings the first Wednesday of each month to hear reports that are open to the public.

 
At 5:13 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 11:19am and 12:43pm...

Are you also Anonymous 10:24 pm who identified yourself as Anonymous @ 9:31am & 12:30 pm?

In your last post, in which you all but insist that there is willful racial discrimination going on in the schools, you say:

District officials should release data showing the breakdowns of AP and honors classes in the high school.

Apart from the fact they they do (is that an indication of how informed you are?), is it your position that any imbalance in those breakdowns is prima facie evidence of discrimination?

 
At 5:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff:

I will claim credit for Anonymous 10:24 pm, 9:31am & 12:30 pm but not the other 2 posts. I don't think there is active discrimination here and yes I am well aware of the numbers.

Your wife (I assume you are Jeff Ostroth) is the Board member who boasted in the pages of the Suburbanite that Teaneck's minorities outperform minorities elsewhere in the state. No, I do not think your wife is racist. However, I think her comment reflects a culture of unequal expectations that has no place in our society. Unequal expectations have a way of becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy when it comes to results.

 
At 10:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

HOw many of you blogging about the school systems are actually ACTIVE in it? How many of us are active PTA members and have the same core group of parents show up consistently all year?? How many of us wonder where all the parents are for the civic duty activities, only to have them all show up to the free food events?

I am a person of color, and my child is doing remarkably well...Is anyone discouraging him because of teh color of his skin??? NOPE..To make that argument is LAME....Do I think he gets the better teachers etc cuz I show up more? Sure. Is it fair, maybe not, but I sure as heck put in my due diligence to be his biggest advocate.

Really, parent involvment should be REQUIRED.

If parents cant get thier acts together, how can children???

 
At 8:39 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous 10:33PM -- BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO! I don't care what race or ethnicity your background is, you have demonstrated the most important step -- advocating for your child and giving a balanced viewpoint. The schools have many satisfied parents in all groups, and talented staff who welcome parent involvement with open arms.

 
At 1:46 PM, Blogger esther said...

I also applaud what anonymous 10:33 said: parents are THE most important factor in a child's educational success.

I hear alot of armchair critics in Teaneck lobbing false allegations of unequal treatment in Teaneck. The fact is the administrators and teachers, many of whom by the way are african american care deeply about the welfare and performance of the students. The biggest complaint I here from teachers, administrators and the PTO is that a disturbingly large subset of parents are not engaged. They don't oversee and supervise their children's homework and they don't participate in school events and meetings. The educators WANT parents to be involved and are extremely flexible in meeting the requests of parents who advocate on behalf of their children.

 
At 10:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

For all of you who have now concluded that the parents are to blame - do you have any basis to believe that the parents in Teaneck are any less involved than other districts whose mean scores are higher?

Also, the last time I checked the district was spending over $1M per year on ACT - are you telling me it is pointless?

 
At 10:41 PM, Blogger esther said...

ACT is not pointless it will help - but it can only go so far if parents aren't engaged. If you look at the high performing districts in Bergen - take Tenafly for example, you will find that parents extremely involved in all aspects of their kids educations and guess what? It's one of the highest rated districts in the state.

 
At 7:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 11:19am and 12:43pm...my question to you is still out there.

Anonymous at 10:24pm, 9:31am, 12:30pm, 5:37pm, and also at 8:50am, March 22 on Teaneck Progress .... I've been meaning to talk to you about your propensity to distort and mischaracterize, the purpose of which appears to be to shut off legitimate avenues of discussion regarding complicated issues.

At my wife’s request, I was not permitted at the time to respond to your March 22 attack on Teaneck Progress, or for that matter to post anything about the BOE election campaign (either anonymously or by name). At this point, she is not inclined to debate the criticisms raised during the campaign. The muzzle is off of me, however, and I do have a few things to say -- not so much as a pissed-off husband, but as a pissed-off citizen who objects to the fairly dishonest b.s. (on your part and others) concerning our public school system.

For instance, in characterizing MrsOstroth’s statements for a candidate profile in The Suburbanite, you used far more loaded words than the reporter used when he paraphrased her. MrsOstroth did not “attack” Teaneck’s busing of private school students; nor did she bemoan the fact that the state “forces” the district to bus private school students. According to the Suburbanite reporter, “She said that state law mandates that districts that offer courtesy busing to children attending the district's schools also bus children to parochial and private schools."

Is that an “attack”? While no one to my knowledge -- certainly not her -- has ever suggested that we should look for ways to stop busing private school students, $5.1 is not an insignificant part of the budget, and there is no reason why, in the midst of a budget referendum, the electorate should not be informed that the budget benefits more than public school students. Certainly, there is no honest reason why the mere mention of this fact should be considered off limits or an occasion to feign offense.

I re-hash this primarily to establish the fact that you distort. Your characterization of MrsOstroth’s supposed “boast” in a letter to the editor a few years ago is a little harder to dissect -– primarily because neither I nor MrsOstroth can recall this letter. Nor can I find any letter in our hard drive that mentions the fact, boastfully or otherwise, that minority students in Teaneck outperform minority students elsewhere in the State.

That said, it is quite likely that at some time or another MrsOstroth did say somewhere that minority students in Teaneck outperform minority students elsewhere in the state.

Boastfully? I am sure she “felt no shame” (your post at 10:24) in pointing out this fact, as it is certainly nothing to be ashamed of. Was this said “as if that by itself was a satisfactory outcome” (your post on Teaneck Progress)? That is pure straw man, which you apparently “felt no shame” in setting up. If you have any regard for your own intellectual honesty, you should have.

The achievement gap is a national conundrum that is quite obviously bigger than Teaneck. No heterogeneous district can ignore it, and our district has not ignored it -- not even before the establishment of the ACT initiative. But solutions do not and will not come easily.

In such an environment, must partial success be interpreted as failure? Must those who are under the gun locally for a phenomenon of national scope be prohibited from pointing out that the problem is not quite as acute in their district? Will similar prohibitions on this important discussion be imposed on those who take their place?

No one has ever made this fact the cornerstone of their response to the problem. Why do you maintain that its mere utterance is verboten? Is it not because it doesn’t fit your particular political narrative?

Raising expectations is of course a crucial element in raising achievement. Despite your political narrative, the previous board majority was never complacent on that need, although it certainly wasn’t as verbose and as arrogantly all-knowing as some of its critics. But in my opinion, if there is anything worse than failing to raise expectations, it is raising false expectations.

I think I’ll have more to say about this, but here is one case in point: During the last campaign, much was made about “best practices” and “proven” successes out there -- as if all Teaneck needed to do was go out, look at these proven successes, come back and plug them in. There weren’t too many specifics, but Henry Pruitt did mention one school, in Jersey City, that could supposedly show the way for Teaneck.

I wouldn’t say that the successful practices of any school should be dismissed out of hand, but Dr. Pruitt failed to mention that this is a magnet school -- which almost by definition is intended to raise the achievement only of a small, motivated subset of a larger school-age population.

And you talk about throwing out claims without shame.

 
At 10:21 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi. 11:19 and 12;43 reporting back from a long weekend. Jeff, please point out exactly where you have found specific data breaking down the AP and honors classes by race. I have combed throught the district and school sites and haven't found it. What am I missing?
Yes, I have attended the BOE Wednesday sessions, the regular metings, innumberable PTO meetings, served on many PTO committees.. I am an active mom with three chilren in the district. I am even a product of Teaneck schools, and received a fabulous education at Hawthorne, Bryant (1st year of central sixth grade), TJ and THS.

Now that my credentials as a non-laggard have been settled, I hope, I still have trouble with the faintly smug attitude that poorly performing students MUST have laggard parents who don't check their homework, let them drench themselves in objectional culture. and just don't care. That's a pretty sweeping generalization that needs hard evidence to back it up as well.

But even if that were the case, that all the rotten students are that way just becuase they have rotten parents, does that mean that it's OK for us to pat ourselves on the back for being terrific and wonderful, and just blame the kid for having rotten parents. We have to help them. We are the village for these children, if their parents are so rotten. We have the responsibility to make sure these children are well educated, even if we don't like them.

If there is a large racial gap in the makeup of honors and AP classes, we must look into what's behind it. You can't just make a circular argument that bad students have bad parents, or the offensive suggestion that white kids are just smarter than anyone else.

 
At 10:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeff:

At the end of the day, you and I can have different opinions about the accomplishments/failings of the Boards on which your wife served. As the only long serving incumbant up for re-election, I believe the only opinion that really counts - the electorate - has delivered its verdict.

As to school busing information, it was very curious that it was the only specific spending number Ms. Ostroth chose to highlight. The comparitive spending guide which ranks Teaneck in the top 2% in per student spending does not even include busing in the calculation. Teachers' salaries, which she approved, represent about 60% of the Budget but somehow that did not make her 1 item list of subjects to mention. You want to maintain that the busing example was randomly selected among the many issues that drive spending - fine - we'll let the readers of this blog be the judge.

As to the achievement gap, I admire you candore and abhor its implications. I am not sure what you mean by my "political narative" but if you mean color/race blindness, sign me up. There is a growing body of evidence that correlates family wealth rather than race or even family income with acadmic achievement. Do you have any data to support the contention that the Teaneck parent body is poorer in that respect than other districts? I will never believe that being African American, Asian or what not makes you any smarter or dumber or impacts what you can achieve with the proper support.

The following is a link to an article that reflects my view of how expectations should be set and achievements reviewed in a public school district. Can't see the principal in this story telling parents that their kids did better than other African Americans statewide. So yes, partial success is failure and introducing a race based definition of success allows some to declare premature success. This district is failing its students until district-wide scores are good. Period.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/education/july-dec03/nyc_11-12.html

Anonymous 10:24pm, 9:31am, 12:30pm, 5:37pm

 
At 8:52 AM, Blogger esther said...

"Do you have any data to support the contention that the Teaneck parent body is poorer in that respect than other districts?"

Based on the 2005 data on public school students taking the GEPA tests, 30.9% of public school students in Teaneck qualify as "Economically Disadvantaged", compared with 5.5% for Paramus, 9.7% in Leonia and 10.9% in Fairlawn.

 
At 9:11 AM, Blogger esther said...

11:19 and 12:43 - The problem is that there are a series of false narratives out there that muddy an already complicated discussion. These false narratives include:

1. Student performance is primarily attributable to and controllable by teachers and administrators. If students perform poorly on standardized tests - school systems are to bear the brunt of the blame.

2. Schools should be run like efficient machines - the money you invest should result in a predictable output. Paramus spends x and achieves Y, therefore if Teaneck spends x+2, they ought to achieve y+2.

3. Children should perform like efficient machines - given the same level of school spending and curriculum, kids should all have comparable test scores.

4. If there are a disproportionate number of white kids in honors classes, the schools must certainly be guilty of institutional racism.

 
At 11:51 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

One of the big reasons the school tax increase was lower this year (2.9%) was because of a significant increase in state aid based solely on the # of students in the Teaneck schools who are economically disadvantaged. This money was then targeted for the ACT programs and costs that were already included in the budget to serve the needs of these students.

In the annual graduation reports as well as Quality Assurance Annual Reports in the fall, the breakdown of student performance by race and ethnicity is cited. Also, these same statistics (and more) supplied to Dr. Noguerra and his committee by the school system were included in his overall report, and discussed in public at his presentation and during Board workshops.

 
At 12:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Swrugle:

Of the kids taking the 2006 GEPA tests statewide 27.5% qualified as Economically Disadvantaged (btw, this category is solely income based and the point of my post was that wealth, rather than income was the relevant criteria). So even with a large segment of its wealthier residents in private school, the income demographics of the district are not materially different than those state-wide. Yet performance on a district-wide basis continues to be average at best despite best in class spending numbers.

Yes it is easy to blame externalities - unfunded state mandates, special education, busing, the Charter School, demographics, parents and probably global warming. Many districts face these challenges with far fewer financial resources than Teaneck.

Of course this is entirely consistent with your "false narratives" which create an environment where the District can never fail and comparisons with other districts who seem to be doing more for less are pointless. What in your "truthful narrative" is the basis upon which we can evaluate the success or failure of the District?

Anonymous 10:24pm, 9:31am, 12:30pm, 5:37pm

 
At 3:17 PM, Blogger esther said...

Of course this is entirely consistent with your "false narratives" which create an environment where the District can never fail and comparisons with other districts who seem to be doing more for less are pointless.

For many, they create an environment where the District can never succeed and comparisons with other districts will always show Teaneck coming up short.

What in your "truthful narrative" is the basis upon which we can evaluate the success or failure of the District?

Rather than focusing like a laser on flawed evaluative metrics such as average test scores against dollars per student - let's look at the experiences of actual students, parents and teachers. How do the users of the system feel about it? What's working? For whom? What's not working? How can we fix it? What models can be use to address the achievement gap? How can we better engage parents in the process?

Alot of the system's biggest critics are quite detached from the nuts and bolts of administering a school system that serves such a diverse range of students. The newspaper's always cite statistics that suburban school districts today are more segregated than ever. I would contend that a system like Teaneck's is quite out of the ordinary in it's level of racial, ethnic, and economic integration - and there are problems that come along with this level of integration that not many suburban school districts have had to deal with.

I'm not saying that the system is perfect or that savings is not possible. I'm just suspicious of many of the critics because they don't respect the complexity of the task at hand and the seriousness with which the district takes it's charge.

 
At 4:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the real world success and failure are quantified. In fact, the Teaneck school systems has no problem applying objective criteria in evaluating student performance - they call it grades. We give grades to help students understand the quality of their performance - hopefully positive reinforcement for good performance and areas where they need work. The Board would be wells served to accept similar feedback in a mature fashion.

Supporters of the school district, however, seem remarkably consistent in their assertion that any statistical measure of academic achievement or fiscal responsibility is unfair when applied to the "unique" Teaneck school district. Get over it, we are not that different. Yes we have challenges, but so do many other districts - many operating on a far more modest tax base and lacking our widely touted seasoned and dedicated teaching staff.

I'll take it further. Swrugle propose to us some objectively measurable criteria (other than "happy feelings per student")that we can use to assess if the District is performing better or is more fiscally responsible next year, in 3 years, 5 years etc.


Anonymous 10:24pm, 9:31am, 12:30pm, 5:37pm

 
At 4:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous,

I'm guessing you're a huge fan of No Child Left Behind.

You seem completely enamored of numbers and tests that "show" just how much bang for our buck we get. I'm all for keeping an eye on our spending, and definitely a proponent (and a product) of excellence in the public schools, but at some point, one must acknowledge that with somewhere between 25-30% of our kids qualifying for reduced price lunches, we do have at least some unique challenges in Teaneck.

 
At 5:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am sorry but if the welfare moms can do it in NYC then they should be able to do it in Teaneck!

 
At 5:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"between 25-30% of our kids qualifying for reduced price lunches, we do have at least some unique challenges in Teaneck."

So how does this effect the rest of the kids that are doing poorly that do not fall into this group? Should we piss away some more money in hopes that it might solve the problem, not!

 
At 5:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh yes, let's "piss it all away." Please raise my taxes, because I'm so wealthy it doesn't matter to me.

Is that what I said? No. Do I think that Teaneck schools have a lot of problems that need fixing? Absolutely.

What we have in Teaneck is effectively an urban school with the inherent challenges and rewards of an urban school. The problem is that many people don't think of Teaneck as an urban school and would compare us to suburban schools. We will fail in that comparison every time.

 
At 5:55 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"perplexed resident" you have no clue what an urban district looks like if you make that observation. There are districts in this state with well North of 50% of the students receiving reduced price lunches.

 
At 6:29 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Much of the concern on test scores or the percent of students living in low income is about the change over time, not just the current levels. While its true Teaneck is not the same as districts who have 50% of students receiving reduced priced lunches, many in town are concerned that Teaneck will become one of those districts some day.

 
At 7:29 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"While its true Teaneck is not the same as districts who have 50% of students receiving reduced priced lunches, many in town are concerned that Teaneck will become one of those districts some day"


Is this really what peoples concerns are?

 
At 7:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thinking about it some more, there is a certain irony that a profession for which grading performance is an important element, there is almost an allergic reaction to receiving grades. Hence, the almost reflexive rejection of merit pay and attempts to measure performance such as NCLB (I do not claim to know enough about NCLB to have a view on whether it is the correct measure of performance).

Yes any time you impose performance tests, there is a risk that teachers will teach to the test. Of course, when teachers give tests, there is a risk that Johnny will study only to the test - yet somehow, that does not stop them from giving tests. Further, when Johnny gets a 75 on the test, the teacher give Johnny a C even though he gets a free hot lunch and he does not get into an honors class. A really great teacher then starts working more closely with Johnny to help raise his grades.

Yet our school district gets a 75, but the District and its supporters give it an A because of these exteranl factors.

Anonymous 10:24pm, 9:31am, 12:30pm, 5:37pm

 
At 12:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

At 10:33 PM, Anonymous said...
I am a person of color, and my child is doing remarkably well...Is anyone discouraging him because of teh color of his skin??? NOPE..To make that argument is LAME....

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As one person of color to another (and the public) I beg to differ with you! Do my children, who also do extremely well, get "special" treatement because of their color? YES! And it is not positive special treatment. Do I advocate for them in order to stop that treatment? YES. I have to advocate so hard because differences that can be called racial creep in--I have to be ever-vigilant, much more so than White parents.

In fact, sometimes gender differences are present to which I have to advocate just as hard. Would anyone argue that Black boys are treated the same as White boys in our schools or our township?

Did you hear about what happened at Rodda Monday (8/6) Night at the Teen Night Out? There were at least 5 police cars brought in, students scattered, police on megaphones, etc. I can't imagine that happening if the students had been majority White.

We all know that Teachers and administrators are only human--they have their own personal experiences and expectations being brought to the table.

How do I know my children (or others whom I advocate for) have been treated differently? Because of my constant and persistent communication, my attendance and participation at PTO meetings, my conversations with administrators, teachers and other parents ... otherwise, I would never know of the different treatment!

Wish it were a LAME excuse, and wish we could all be treated the same. That time is not here now, and not here in Teaneck, although this place is not as bad as some I have had experience with. Together we can make it better.

I feel sorry for those parents who are without a clue, especially those new to town, some out of NY, who assume they have moved into a GOOD TOWNSHIP with GOOD SCHOOLS so they can relax and coast!! They pay the high taxes which would normally indicate that the schools are good, right? Ha! That is a LAME attitude and needs to change.

Let us who have a CLUE help them by showing them the way--not denigrating them. (There is an interesting and apt etiology for the word denigrate!)

 
At 12:58 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

swurgle said...
I also applaud what anonymous 10:33 said: parents are THE most important factor in a child's educational success.

I hear alot of armchair critics in Teaneck lobbing false allegations of unequal treatment in Teaneck. The fact is the administrators and teachers, many of whom by the way are african american care deeply about the welfare and performance of the students. ...
1:46 PM


My how times have changed if MOST of the educators in Teaneck are Black!! Just a couple of years ago Whittier had TWO Black teachers! Not too many years ago Lowell had only ONE, then TWO, now, since its enlargement, it has more, but MOST! I don't think so!

 
At 1:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

At 10:33 PM, Anonymous said...
I am a person of color, and my child is doing remarkably well...Is anyone discouraging him because of teh color of his skin??? NOPE..To make that argument is LAME....

--------------------------
As one person of color to another (and the public) I beg to differ with you! Do my children, who also do extremely well, get "special" treatement because of their color? YES! And it is not positive special treatment. Do I advocate for them in order to stop that treatment? YES. I have to advocate so hard because differences, that can be characterized as racial, creep in--I have to be ever-vigilant, much more so than White parents. In fact, sometimes gender differences are present to which I have to advocate just as hard. Teachers and administrators are only human with their own personal experiences and expectations being brought to the table.

How do I know my children (or others whom I advocat for) have been treated differently? Because of my constant and persistent communication, my attendance and participation at PTO meetings, my conversations with administrators and teachers...otherwise, I would never know of the different treatment!

Wish it were a LAME excuse, and wish we could all be treated the same. That time is not here now, and not here in Teaneck, although this place is not as bad as some I have had experience with.

I feel sorry for those parents who are without a clue, especially those new to town, some out of NY, who assume they have moved into a GOOD TOWNSHIP with GOOD SCHOOLS so they can relax and coast!! Ha! That is a LAME attitude and needs to change.

Let us help them by showing them the way!

 

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